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Hey all! Just looking around here, was amazed to find this group called "new yorkers who left for san francisco" since I am about to become one... :) Grew up in NYC, planning on finally leaving in October! Counting the days... :) Any general advice? Are apartment rents really as scary as they say (compared to NYC, that is?) How's the job market etc? Just looking to see if anyone who has lived in both places can make some comparisons...!
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Re: new yorker about to leave for san francisco! dr00l... ;)
Mon, July 9, 2007 - 4:47 PMjob market is booming
rent prices are comparable to NY, but you get more space and benefits for the money.
your mileage may vary, but this is what I've found. i left NY about a year ago after a lifetime. didn't think there was anywhere else to live, but I was wrong. loving the bay area. welcome!!
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Re: new yorker about to leave for san francisco! dr00l... ;)
Mon, July 9, 2007 - 6:41 PMMore space than what? I see people putting up ads to share bedrooms, let alone apartments! My rent is reasonable, but I'm also an hour away from SF. -
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Re: new yorker about to leave for san francisco! dr00l... ;)
Sat, July 14, 2007 - 2:36 PMI came from Manhattan and the rents are a LOT more reasonable here.
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Re: new yorker about to leave for san francisco! dr00l... ;)
Mon, July 16, 2007 - 7:23 PMKat,
What kind of work do you do?
Do you have a job lined up, yet?
What brings you out here?
Inquiring minds wanna know :)
Herb
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Re: new yorker about to leave for san francisco! dr00l... ;)
Fri, August 17, 2007 - 3:02 PMHey Kat, thanks for joining. I startted this group because I was so CONFUSED about SF v. NYC. Why are you moving out??
Laurie
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Re: new yorker about to leave for san francisco! dr00l... ;)
Sat, March 15, 2008 - 9:02 AMHi. Did you move to SF? If so how do you like it? 'cause we are moving to SF this summer and
I am little bit anxious 'cause there will be a part of me that will always in love with NYC, especially Brooklyn.
But it's time to experience some place else. Please let me know. Thanx.
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Re: new yorker about to leave for san francisco! dr00l... ;)
Sun, March 16, 2008 - 3:36 AMHello all! I am now all settled in the Bay Area (not exactly SF, but close enough :) )
Thank you all for your replies. My apologies for posting and then not returning for so long. As you can imagine, the last several months have been very hectic with the cross-country move, so it took me a long while to finally get back to my online conversations... :)
Now that I've been here for a little over 3 months, I can answer some of your questions, and give an update. When I first got here, I spent the first 3 weeks in utter frustration and desperation because the SF rents WERE indeed scary. However, I'm not coming from Manhattan. I'm coming from Queens. So, compared to outer borough rents, SF was a real shock. After those first 3 weeks, I gave up on SF and started looking in the East Bay. I found something reasonable (comparable to outer borough rents) almost immediately! This is perfectly fine by me; I live right near a BART station, and the trip from here to SF is almost identical to what my commute from Queens to Manhattan used to be, so no biggie... :)
To answer why I moved away and what I do, etc... I'm a freelance artist; there's a little bit about that in my profile now. Basically we lined up a job for my husband first (he's a tattooist, it was easier to line something up for him first); so when we got here, he started working, and now that we're settled I'm back to my freelance projects. Funny thing is, though, I'm still working for my NY clients, haven't gotten anyone new here yet!
Why I moved: now this is a slightly more complicated question... I used to be a very elitist New Yorker, just like most other New Yorkers I suppose. However, this changed almost immediately as soon as I started traveling further than the tri-state area! The more I traveled, the more I realized that New York really wasn't "all that." I found that every time I returned from my travels, I was sad and disgusted to return to my home. Compared to other places, New York really started to seem overcrowded, dirty, smelly, overly materialistic, and impersonal. I kind of hate to say all these things, because after all, it is where I grew up, and I wouldn't have had that any other way. It helped make me who I am today. But I suppose it was just time to move on. I've been in a rut for the last few years in NY, and I needed a shake-up.
Among my travels, I visited the Bay Area twice. Once in 1997 by plane, and once more recently in 2003 as part of a cross-country road trip. Although there are parts of the world (outside this country) that I'm even more enamored with, in THIS country there is no place I've grown to love more than the Bay! When I visited the first time in 1997, that trip planted the seeds of desire to move here. But I wasn't done with NY at that point - I still had school to finish, loose ends to tie, etc. Finally, after a decade, my husband and I were able to break free and move here. And we haven't looked back.
So far, being here a bit over 3-4 months, I do miss the friends and family I left behind on the east coast, but I don't miss NYC, and I don't believe that I'll have the desire to return there. I do miss a few things... there's some amount of nostalgia (but that stuff is long gone!) and there are a few things I miss, like 24-hour laundry, high-quality bagels, and panhandlers you can safely ignore without getting some snotty remark. But there are many more things I DON'T miss... the asshole drivers, the pollution, the smelly subways, the cold winter, the sweltering summer, the rats, the roaches, getting trampled during rush hour, driving 3 hours to get to any semblance of nature.
So yeah, I am LOVING the Bay Area. It is gorgeous here - the architecture, the gardens and foliage, the weather (WOW! From fall straight to spring!!). I can see stars at night!! So many parks around, so easy to get to! And really great natural settings no more than an hour away (like Muir Woods!) People seem generally mellow, not in a rush all the time. GREAT food. Indian and Thai galore. A farmer's market every couple of days with local, organic produce to die for! Beautiful hills, a joy to walk around everywhere! Obviously it's not perfect, nothing is. The panhandlers bug me the most, they're very aggressive. But in general, I love it here.
For those wondering whether they oughtta choose SF or NYC, I would say it depends on your own personality. SF and NYC are VERY different... If you are no-nonsense and career-minded, you'd probably prefer NYC. I've realized that NYC was never a great fit for my personality, despite my having grown up there... I'm pretty mellow, I don't like being rushed, I love nature; those things about me make SF a better fit for me.
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Re: new yorker about to leave for san francisco! dr00l... ;)
Thu, November 6, 2008 - 10:56 AMThan you for your post. My husband and I moved here in SF,but I am feeling homesick.
There are more panhandlers here than NYC. I don't miss Manhattan, but I
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Re: new yorker about to leave for san francisco! dr00l... ;)
Fri, November 7, 2008 - 2:38 PMI am homesick as well - I guess this makes me an elitist career-driven nature hater, eh? -
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Re: new yorker about to leave for san francisco! dr00l... ;)
Sat, November 8, 2008 - 1:09 PMI just love the energy. I even miss the rats scurrying away into the night as
I bike through Chinatown. There's an awesome kareoke dive bar called Winnie's
and they make mean dirty martinis.
The way Bklyn bridge looks at nights.
Having lunch by promenade in Bklyn Heights.
I am wondering if this feeling will ever go away?
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Re: new yorker about to leave for san francisco! dr00l... ;)
Fri, January 2, 2009 - 1:27 AMi lived in SF for 2 years, and in nyc for almost 4. originally im from san jose, so used to the bay area for most of my life. personally, i cant stand it.
i love NYC!
SF has an energy alright, but it tends to make me feel perpetually odd, a bit off-balance, confused....even the people there seem to have their minds affected! i heard that since the city has so many hills, theres strange waves in the air from the tectonic plates underground. that sounds so dodgy but i havent thought about it in a while, but it makes sense to me. its visually beautiful in places, theres amazing restaurants, but damn the buses suck, and the horrible smells from a large homeless population or whoever pisses everywhere really makes sf a place i cant live again.
i also thought a lot of the people are colder, less open and warm than new yorkers.
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