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so the thing i'm curious about is - when someone asks you where you're from, what do you say?
personally, i identify as a San Franciscan, though i was born in brooklyn and raised in the 'burbs. but in my first year here, i probably would've answered differently.
so, speak up! say how long you've been in SF, and whether you call your self a New Yorker, a San Franciscan, or a New Yawkah
personally, i identify as a San Franciscan, though i was born in brooklyn and raised in the 'burbs. but in my first year here, i probably would've answered differently.
so, speak up! say how long you've been in SF, and whether you call your self a New Yorker, a San Franciscan, or a New Yawkah
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Re: issues of identity
Tue, March 1, 2005 - 11:55 AMFunny you mention this because I was just thinking about this the other day. I've always considered myself a New Yorker probably until about a year after 9/11 happened. I was in NYC at a bar talking to a couple of 20-somethings a few years out of college. They were telling me how great Bush was and how he stood up for NY when he proclaimed "...not only can I hear you, but America hears you.". Well that was it, at that moment I realized that I had very lil' in common w/the next generation of New Yorkers and had a infinitely more in common w/San Franciscans. Hence, it was turmoil for a couple of years, but I'm now coming to grips w/the fact that SF is my home and my affinity...though perhaps some of my attitude still remains from NY. -
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Sun, March 6, 2005 - 9:07 PMI'm a 20-something New Yorker who will be moving to SF in the next few months, and I rarely come into contact with Bush lovers, or even Bush likers. 99% of the new yorkers I know hate him with a passion, irregardless of 9/11. The only ones I know who don't shriek with hatred when you mention his name are born and bred Republicans, and even they arent thrilled with him. I don't know what bar you were in, but the "next generation of new yorkers" has more in common with you than the middle of this country. -
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Mon, March 7, 2005 - 5:43 PMPhew!!! Thanks, I needed that. Trust me when I say that it was the saddest day I've had in a long time. Let me welcome you to SF in advance :-)...it's a fun town for very diff reasons than NYC.
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Re: issues of identity
Mon, March 7, 2005 - 12:45 PMThey were probably from Long Island... -
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Re: issues of identity
Fri, March 11, 2005 - 11:36 AMOne huge difference is.. San Franciscans are political. Im here a year, and Im a New yorker. I still dont get how everyday things ( like are you a ny'er or a san franciscan) can turn into a political thing. I personally dont care what people are, as long as theyre nice Im cool with em. -
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Tue, March 15, 2005 - 10:11 AMWere you a New Yorker living in Manhattan? If so, did you feel a sense of spirituality there? Under full disclosure, I didn't and found that to be on of the draws to SF.
As for political, I would characterize San Franciscans as caring enough about their communities to get involved, and since one of the ways to do this is through addressing regulatory issues, then one is left few alternatives but to take on political agendas. But that's just one perspective on this issue. Fortunately, I haven't run into any one asking me much about my politics or judging based on them so perhaps we're having diff experiences here. -
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Tue, March 15, 2005 - 4:56 PMUh yeah.. Manhattan.. L.E.S 13 years same bldg. . Spirituality there? Certainly. Its the only thing that kept me from choking people who deserved it. Ever go talk to father Torres at St. Marks, or attend the weekly free meditations at the buddhist center on 1st ave in the e village? Are you kidding me about the political thing? Im not liberal, nor conserative, but If I were a bush voter, or a republican do you think I wouldnt get judged here? Puhlese. Fogettaboutit Id get strung up by my short hairs. And dude.. you even said you considered yourself a NY'er until you heard someone elses political beliefs. What is that? Your gonna define yourself by what others think? Generally I try to stay outta politics.. I prefer food and chocolate and kissing. Which I might add is Much easier to come by here ( at least the kissing part) than in NYC, though its a bit tough finding a good pizza here.. Any recommendations? Something tells me that MIGHT be the quiestion. -
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Fri, March 18, 2005 - 2:26 PMNY Pizza in SF, fuggetaboutit right back at ya :-) At least I haven't found it yet. Not to say that there's not been other good pizza here, just nothing that reminds me of home. Try finding the right bagels too. Again, not that there aren't other good bagels out here, but just not the same :-( The third missing element has been real roast beef, but like you can get in the delis in NYC, but I finally found a lil' (albeit overpriced) cafe on Potrero Hill called Pazzo's in one of the design center buildings.
As for my hypocritical comment...busted! You're dead on...obviously I still need a lot of work reaching that peaceful spiritual place inside ;-) -
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Fri, March 18, 2005 - 7:31 PMBig Bow down.. You rock. I need grace in my life, so seeing yours is a good example and a neded lesson. Theres a bagle place on geary and I thinl its 14th on the n side of the street. Its non descript, just a sign that says bagles. No donuts, no bialy's, just bagles.. -
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Sun, March 20, 2005 - 8:38 AMafter many years in sf and now splitting my time between the 2 greatest cities in the us I have come to one conclusion it is possible to be both a ny'er at heart and reside elsewhere and that NYC has no good burritos and san francisco has no good pizza. it is also lacking in good deli good smoked fish like that from rachel and sons on Houston no knishes either
but fresh crab and cippinno (sic) and a few other regional delights unfound in ny
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Tue, March 22, 2005 - 9:00 AMNo dude, props out to you for calling me out. It's sometimes hard to see or hear myself, so when someone takes the time and helps bring my attention to it I'm *very* appreciative.
As for the 'just' bagles, thanks for the heads up, will definitely check it out. -
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Re: issues of identity
Tue, March 29, 2005 - 12:05 PMAs a multi-generational NYer, I tell people I am from New York when they ask where I am from. If they ask where I live, I say San Francisco. My hometown does not change. I love San Francisco, and it is my home, but it isn’t my hometown, if you know what I mean. I lived in The City until I was 21.75 solar years, so I consider my foundations to be there.
Arinell’s Pizza on Valencia off of 16th does a decent Lower East Side style slice. There is also an Arinell’s in Berkeley. Tiny hole in the wall place that does a slice that actually drops the orange grease onto the paper, and they fold ‘em right when you get ‘em to go.
I find it way, way more tough to find people with whom to smooch in SF than I ever did in NY, or even in Evil Los Angeles, where I resided for 10 years/. Then again, ai M into men these days, and SF is not the draw for the hetero guys.
I love going back to NYC and being ogled and objectified. Warms the cockles of my heart. And…um…it warms my cockles too! Whatever the heck tiny crustaceans have to do with human physiology…huh….
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Wed, April 20, 2005 - 7:55 AMThe reason they can't get the pizza or the bagels *quite* right is the water. You gotta have East Coast water. I used to work for Brothers New Yrk Pizza in San Rafael, my boss brought the recipe with him from Brooklyn, made it exactly the same but it wasn't ever exactly that soggy piece of cardboard with the drippy orange stuff.
I was however encouraged to ridicule customers who asked for whle wheat crust or pineapple. or who committed the great sin of wanting a knife & fork...
I actually only Lived in NYC till I was six months, but its a Cultural thing- I''m a New Yorker like I'm a Jew.So is there room for an ex-Jersey girl whose heart is in San Francisco but her bed is in Petaluma?
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Wed, April 27, 2005 - 1:37 PM" They were probably from Long Island..."
hey....................
make that Nassau. us poor folks in suffolk didnt think like that.
"You gotta have East Coast water."
i want ot add the humidity to that- i mean all over NY state its good, and water sources differ greatly. or its all the extra chlorine.
i dunno, i just remember even upstate it was better than anywhere else, and MA, CT , RI, not happenin.
hehehe i like to joke that its the "mob cheese". cant get it out of ny.
heheh
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Tue, April 5, 2005 - 10:04 AMHey William, so have you been out here a long time? Are you staying in San Francisco? -
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Wed, April 20, 2005 - 7:39 AMHiya Laurie
Not sure if Im stayin or not... I got hit hard with work this spring, ( I build gardens) but Im hoping to have a breather in early june. I get flustered in this town and mouth off or get attitudy and end up in trouble with the police or in fights,( its usually has to do with car stuff. I have a big work truck) and at this point in the game Im to old to be acting like child. So well see what happens in 6 weks or so.. -
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Mon, May 9, 2005 - 8:12 PMCountdown begins. Last day in Sf June 15th. Woo Hoo. Cant wait for the swelter, and the swagger and the sweat and the funk and the blood and the smell and the pain and the rain and the joy and the heat and the rage and the life and death and the trials and truth and work and the love and the cum and the cycle of MY city. I put my root down in the LES in my early 20's. I got addicted and sober there. I got baptised and bruised and beaten and exhalted in the shit strewn streets of MY hood. I got educated and tenderized, I got sharpened and empassioned, and a diploma from MY bourough along with a new set of wipers for my bullshit goggles. My ass is prime real estate but not precious.. It is though very kissable. So long sf. Im outta here. 36 days motherfuckers. 36days -
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Tue, May 10, 2005 - 1:34 PMwelcome back to the nyc!
ill get there on june 1st. goodbye forever, sf bay area! happy to leave you behind! -
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Tue, May 10, 2005 - 3:13 PMme, too. i'm leaving SF on june 8.
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Re: issues of identity
Thu, June 8, 2006 - 2:10 PMHi William, how are holding up in SF?
Laurie
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Re: issues of identity
Wed, May 11, 2005 - 4:35 PMWith all of these departures, I'm guessing traffic will finally be getting back to the way it was in the old days...guess there's always a silver lining around every cloud :-) Of course, I hope you departing NYers will keep us vicariously living here on Tribe through your experiences in the Big Apple.
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Re: issues of identity
Mon, May 30, 2005 - 8:39 AM" Were you a New Yorker living in Manhattan? If so, did you feel a sense of spirituality there? Under full disclosure, I didn't and found that to be on of the draws to SF."
P-Air, I certainly agree with you on that, and it's one of the main reasons I am going back to SF after my contract job ends in NYC in August.
I even miss the cold ocean of the West Coast, which I never thought would happen. For some reason I do not feel as "connected" out in NYC as I did in SF, and while I'll always love NYC, I don't think my place is out here, at least not on a permanent basis.
That said, I don't think I usually tell ppl I am from SF, even tho I lived there for 4 years. I guess when ppl ask where I am FROM, I take it to mean where did I grow up, which was Texas. Having lived on both coasts, I have to admit my personality was shaped by being a Southerner, altho SF has been a major influence in the direction my life is taking. But I had to leave SF to appreciate that, just as I had to leave the South to appreciate it's influence on me as well.
BTW, the best pizza in SF is Victor's on Polk. It's the closest you will get to NYC style out there, no-one else comes close. It reminds me a lot of John's Pizzeria.
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Re: issues of identity
Sat, November 8, 2008 - 4:21 PM"Where are you from?"
This question always bug me because I am Asian, when people ask me that, they mean which country I was born. I identify myself with being a New Yorker though. I only have been in SF for about 3 months now, but already I am scheming to see how I can move back. -
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Mon, November 10, 2008 - 9:13 PMyeha where are you from-- always weird to answer being in berkeley for 15 years
i say- from LI live in Berkeley -probably forever.
i am not from NYC but i spent enough time there i have more NY in me than anything else...
the two things i think that make me most permanently NY- never making eye contact or saying hello on the street/ general rejection of strangers, like i don't bother trying to even know the people in my building,
and the other thing NYers learn at age five-
keep a little money in the wallet, the rest someplace else.
oh yeah and uh- FUCK YOU !
yeah i'll never live in NY i love living here but i'll always be from NY -
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Mon, November 10, 2008 - 9:16 PMi will aDD the weird thing about this is i remember once about ten years ago i went home for a visit, and when i got back to SF, got off the bus from SFO downtown, and that was it i knew this was home. It was a very odd feeling, to go "home", come back here and realize this was really "home".
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